Chapter 27 of 28 · 2'36"
Kitty On The Stand 妻子反击IMDb ↗
基蒂当场顶回去：我不喜欢你这种问法
Oppenheimer · 2023
CEFR C1IELTS 7.5hearing-room雅思
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Everything you need before watchingKitty Oppenheimer sits in the security hearing, and the prosecutor wants a yes: Did you have a Party card? She will not give him one. She cannot remember a card whose existence she has already disowned. When he says money went into Communist channels, she stops him on a preposition: through, not into. He tries to make her admit her husband still had anything to do with the Party. She refuses the phrase itself. Watch a witness dismantle a loaded question without raising her voice.
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Kitty Oppenheimerwitness wife
罗
Roger Robbprosecutor
辩
Counseldefense counsel
Chapters
28 parts · AI-cut01Bohr Sends Him Away玻尔劝他离开实验室，去能想问题的地方C11'56"02Strauss Recruits Him有人拿房子通勤当挖角筹码B23'02"03Rabi On The Train火车上有人挖苦：美国人凭什么来讲新物理B21'39"04First Quantum Seminar第一堂课就把光既是粒子又是波讲成入门C12'08"05Party Politics Debate入党是关心这个世界B22'38"06Naming Los Alamos一生理想落在荒原尽头B21'45"07Kitty And Empty Space有人用酒杯解释世界是空的B22'53"08Lawrence Shuts The Union劳伦斯说你重要，所以电话早就被监听了C11'47"09Groves Offers The Job将军当众念完缺点清单，接着把计划交给他C13'42"10Einstein On Atmosphere点燃大气的概率近乎零，却拿整个世界当赌注C11'53"11Chevalier Approaches厨房里有人转述：资料可以走后门给苏联C11'32"12Teller Pitches Fusion特勒打断裂变课，说下一堂该讲百万吨级氢弹C11'55"13Condon Walks Out芝加哥堆刚临界，康登当场辞职说受不了规矩B22'21"14Last Night With Jean过夜之后他告诉琼，从此不能再见面B23'21"15Cock-And-Bull Story安全官追问时，他编假故事把朋友护下来C14'03"16Bohr On The Aftermath玻尔说即将揭开的力量会活过纳粹，那是新世界C12'35"17GAC Rejects The Super更大的炸弹只瞄准最大的城市，会上有人叫它屠杀C11'52"18Target Committee Meeting轰炸城市能少死人C13'33"19Trinity Weather Hold点火时刻押在黎明雨停C13'01"20Truman Oval Office他在白宫说手上有血，总统骂广岛不是他的戏B23'26"21Fuchs And The World生日会上听说富克斯一直在为苏联做间谍C11'31"22Moment Of The Explosion侥幸活着仍会死C11'54"23Power In The Shadows斯特劳斯把材料交给博登，权力留在阴影里C12'38"24Rabi Asks For Mermaids拉比反问：原子弹氢弹都有了，还要美人鱼吗C12'19"25Borden Reads The Letter博登当庭宣读：奥本海默更可能是苏联代理人C12'14"26Hill Names The Motive整人不过公报私仇C12'34"27Kitty On The Stand基蒂当场顶回去：我不喜欢你这种问法C12'36"28Did You Support The Bomb律师当庭问他后不后悔投弹，他只说做了本职C13'00"
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00:00
Who was this?
这人是谁？
00:00
Uh, Roger Robb.
呃，罗杰·罗布。
00:02
Mrs. Oppenheimer.
奥本海默太太。
00:08
Did you have a Communist Party membership card ?
你有过共产党党证吗？
00:12
I'm... I'm not sure.
我……我不确定。
00:14
Not sure?
不确定？
00:18
Well...
这个……
00:22
Well?
这个？
00:33
I mean, presumably, the act of joining the Party
我是说，按理入党这个行为
00:36
required sending some money and receiving a card, no?
得交点钱、再领一张卡，对吧？
00:42
Yeah.
对。
00:49
Sorry.
抱歉。
00:51
Yes. Mm.
是的。嗯。
00:55
It's just it was all so very long ago,
只是那都是很久很久以前的事了，
00:57
-Mr. Robb, wasn't it? -Not really.
-是罗布先生，对吧？-也没那么久。
00:58
Long enough to have forgotten.
久到足以忘掉。
01:00
Did you return the card or rip it up ?
那张卡你是退回去了，还是撕了？
01:01
The card whose existence I've forgotten ?
那张我已经忘了它存在过的卡？
01:03
Your Communist Party membership card .
你的共产党党证。
01:05
Haven't the slightest idea .
完全没概念。
01:09
Can a distinction be made between
能不能区分一下
01:11
Soviet Communism and Communism?
苏联共产主义和共产主义？
01:13
Well, in the days when I was a member,
这个，我还是党员的那些年，
01:15
I thought they were definitely two things.
我当时觉得那绝对是两回事。
01:16
-Oh? -I thought that
-哦？-我当时觉得
01:17
the Communist Party of the United States
美国共产党
01:20
was concerned with our domestic problems.
关心的是我们国内的问题。
01:22
I now no longer believe this.
我现在不再这么认为了。
01:23
Believe the whole thing's linked together
我觉得整件事是连成一气的
01:25
and spread all over the world ,
而且蔓延到全世界，
01:26
and I have believed this since I left the Party
而且我从退党以后就一直这么认为
01:28
16 years ago.
十六年前。
01:30
-But... -Seventeen years ago.
-可是……-十七年前。
01:31
My mistake.
我记错了。
01:32
-But you said... -Sorry, 18.
-可你刚才说……-抱歉，十八。
01:35
Eighteen years ago.
十八年前。
01:38
Are you familiar with the fact
你是否知道这个事实
01:39
your husband was making contributions
你丈夫当时在捐款
01:41
to the Spanish Civil War as late as 1942?
直到1942年还在给西班牙内战捐款？
01:44
I knew that Robert gave money from time to time .
我知道罗伯特时不时会给钱。
01:46
Did you know this money was going
你知不知道这些钱是在进入
01:47
into Communist Party channels?
共产党的渠道？
01:48
Don't you mean "through" ?
你是不是想说「通过」？
01:50
-Pardon? -I think you mean
-什么？-我想你是想说
01:52
"through Communist Party channels," don't you?
「通过共产党的渠道」，对吧？
01:53
-Y-Yes! -Yes?
-是、是的！-是吗？
01:55
-Yes! -Yes.
-是的！-是的。
01:57
Then would it be fair to say that this meant that by 1942,
那么能不能公平地说，这意味着到1942年，
02:00
your husband had not stopped
你丈夫还没有停止
02:02
having anything to do with the Communist Party?
和共产党有任何关系？
02:04
You don't have to answer that yes or no.
你不必用是或不是来回答。
02:06
You can answer that any way you wish .
你想怎么答就怎么答。
02:07
I know that, thank you.
我知道，谢谢。
02:09
It's your question.
这是你的问题。
02:11
-It's not properly phrased . -Do you understand
-问法不对。-你明不明白
02:13
-what I'm getting at ? -I do.
-我想问的是什么？-明白。
02:14
Then why don't you answer it that way?
那你为什么不按那个意思答？
02:15
'Cause I don't like your phrase.
因为我不喜欢你的措辞。
02:17
"Having anything to do with the Communist Party."
「和共产党有任何关系。」
02:19
Because Robert never had anything to do
因为罗伯特从来没有
02:21
with the Communist Party as such .
和共产党本身有过关系。
02:22
I know he gave money to Spanish refugees.
我知道他给过西班牙难民钱。
02:25
I know he took an intellectual interest
我知道他在智识上关心过
02:27
in Communist ideas...
共产主义思想……
02:28
Are there two types of Communists?
共产主义者还分两种吗？
02:29
Intellectual Communists
智识上的共产主义者
02:31
and your plain old regular Commie ?
和你们那种普普通通的老共产党员？
02:34
Well, I couldn't answer that one.
这个，那个我答不了。
02:36
I couldn't either.
我也答不了。
Language points
Click a card to jump to its moment in the videoCollocationA2↩ 00:08
a membership card
a membership card
会员卡、党证
Did you have a Communist Party membership card ?
你有过共产党党证吗？
CollocationB1↩ 00:33
the act of doing something
the act of doing something
做某事这一行为
I mean, presumably, the act of joining the Party
我是说，按理入党这个行为
CollocationA2↩ 01:00
rip something up
rip something up
把它撕掉
Did you return the card or rip it up ?
那张卡你是退回去了，还是撕了？
GrammarB2↩ 01:01
whose existence I've forgotten
whose定语从句：whose 接物：那张卡的存在。用对方前提做修饰再反问。
The card whose existence I've forgotten ?
那张我已经忘了它存在过的卡？
CollocationB1↩ 01:05
not have the slightest idea
not have the slightest idea
完全没概念
Haven't the slightest idea .
完全没概念。
Pronunciation↩ 01:05
Haven't the slightest
Haven't the 常连成 havn-the，t 丢掉。
Haven't the slightest idea .
完全没概念。
GrammarB2↩ 01:09
Can a distinction be made between
被动提问：Can X be made between A and B，听证里常见的客观化问法。
Can a distinction be made between
能不能区分一下
CollocationB1↩ 01:13
in the days when
in the days when
当年……的时候
Well, in the days when I was a member,
这个，我还是党员的那些年，
GrammarB1↩ 01:13
in the days when I was a member
when定语从句：the days when=那些年。把立场锁在过去时段。
Well, in the days when I was a member,
这个，我还是党员的那些年，
CollocationB1↩ 01:20
be concerned with something
be concerned with something
关心的是、关注
was concerned with our domestic problems.
关心的是我们国内的问题。
CollocationA2↩ 01:22
no longer do something
no longer do something
不再相信
I now no longer believe this.
我现在不再这么认为了。
CollocationA2↩ 01:23
link something together
link something together
连成一气
Believe the whole thing's linked together
我觉得整件事是连成一气的
CollocationA2↩ 01:25
all over the world
all over the world
全世界
and spread all over the world ,
而且蔓延到全世界，
CollocationB1↩ 01:39
make contributions
make contributions
捐款、出资
your husband was making contributions
你丈夫当时在捐款
CollocationA2↩ 01:44
from time to time
from time to time
时不时
I knew that Robert gave money from time to time .
我知道罗伯特时不时会给钱。
Pronunciation↩ 01:44
from time to time
from、to 弱成 /frəm/ /tə/，time 咬清。
I knew that Robert gave money from time to time .
我知道罗伯特时不时会给钱。
Pronunciation↩ 01:48
mean "through"
through 单独加重，和前面的 into 对照。
Don't you mean "through" ?
你是不是想说「通过」？
CollocationB1↩ 00:00
have anything to do with
have anything to do with
和……有任何关系
GrammarB1↩ 00:00
having anything to do with the Communist Party
动名词短语：had not stopped + having：停止的是「和党有任何关系」这件事。
GrammarA2↩ 02:04
don't have to answer that
不必义务：don't have to=没有义务，不是 can't。律师在放宽答法。
You don't have to answer that yes or no.
你不必用是或不是来回答。
CollocationB1↩ 02:06
any way you wish
any way you wish
随你怎么做
You can answer that any way you wish .
你想怎么答就怎么答。
CollocationB2↩ 02:11
properly phrased
properly phrased
措辞恰当、问法正确
-It's not properly phrased . -Do you understand
-问法不对。-你明不明白
CollocationB1↩ 02:13
get at something
get at something
真正想问的是
这里不是伸手去够，是话里的指向
-what I'm getting at ? -I do.
-我想问的是什么？-明白。
Pronunciation↩ 02:13
I'm getting at
I'm 弱成 /əm/，重音在 get。
-what I'm getting at ? -I do.
-我想问的是什么？-明白。
Pronunciation↩ 02:15
'Cause I don't
'Cause 吞成 cuz，don't 的 t 常丢掉。
'Cause I don't like your phrase.
因为我不喜欢你的措辞。
CollocationB2↩ 02:21
as such
as such
就其本身而言
这里=共产党这个组织本身，不是沾边的捐款
with the Communist Party as such .
和共产党本身有过关系。
Pronunciation↩ 02:21
as such
as such 两词都顿一下，收窄范围。
with the Communist Party as such .
和共产党本身有过关系。
CollocationB1↩ 02:25
take an interest in
take an interest in
对……有智识上的兴趣
I know he took an intellectual interest
我知道他在智识上关心过
SlangB2↩ 02:31
Commie
共产党人（贬称）——贬义简称，听证书面别用
and your plain old regular Commie ?
和你们那种普普通通的老共产党员？
SlangB1↩ 02:31
plain old
普普通通的老派——口语贬低，正式改说 ordinary
and your plain old regular Commie ?
和你们那种普普通通的老共产党员？
Teaching points
Review right after watchingMy level
above my level
IronyB2↩ 02:31
plain old regular commie
普普通通的老共产党员
In the scene检察官把基蒂的智识区分讽刺成两种共产党。
So there are two kinds of donors? Visionaries and your plain old check-writers?所以捐款人分两种？空想家，和你们那种只会开支票的？
In daily life
反讽分类Two kinds of bosses? Mentors and your plain old micromanagers?老板分两种？导师，和你们那种普通的微观管理者？
above my level
SlangB2↩ 02:31
commie
共产党人（贬称）
In the scene检察官用街头贬称收网，逼基蒂承认二分。
Don't label every union organizer a radical in a headline.别在标题里把每个工会组织者都打成激进派。
In daily life
提醒用词Call them members, not nicknames, if you want a serious answer.你想认真谈，就称成员，别用外号。
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IdiomB1↩ 02:13
get at
真正想问的是
In the scene检察官嫌她不接暗示，问她明不明白他的指向。
Do you see what I'm getting at with this budget cut?这次砍预算，你明白我真正想说什么吗？
In daily life
开会追问I know the numbers. What are you getting at?数字我知道。你到底想问什么？
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CollocationB1↩ 01:05
the slightest idea
完全没概念
In the scene基蒂被逼问党证去向，用最硬的「一无所知」挡回去。
I haven't the slightest idea where that draft went.那份草稿去哪了，我完全没概念。
In daily life
被追问Who moved the keys? I haven't the slightest idea.谁动了钥匙？我完全没概念。
above my level
DiscourseB2↩ 02:15
don't like your phrase
不接受你的措辞
In the scene基蒂听懂诱导，却拒绝按检察官的句子作答。
I understand the question. I don't accept that wording.问题我懂。我不接受那个措辞。
In daily life
面试答辩I heard you. I don't like the premise of that question.我听见了。我不喜欢这个问题的前提。
above my level
VocabularyB2↩ 02:21
as such
就其本身而言
In the scene基蒂把捐款、思想兴趣和「加入组织本身」切开。
He advised the committee, but he was not a member as such.他给委员会出过主意，但严格说并不是成员。
In daily life
划清身份I helped on the launch, not as a manager as such.发布我帮过忙，但并不是以经理身份。
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IdiomB1↩ 00:00
have anything to do with
和……有任何关系
In the scene检察官用最宽的「任何关系」想把捐款扣成入党。
That rumor doesn't have anything to do with the hiring decision.那个传闻和招聘决定没有任何关系。
In daily life
撇清关系I don't have anything to do with that group chat.我和那个群聊没有任何关系。
Golden lines
A great line in its own right — why and how to use it“The card whose existence I've forgotten?”
那张我已经忘了它存在过的卡？
Why it's great
用对方前提做定语从句，反问直接拆掉诱导。
Pattern
The X whose Y I've forgotten?
When to use
对方当某事存在，你要当场否认前提时。
Similar
The meeting whose agenda I've never seen? ／ You mean the file I said I don't have?
Register
literary
Shadowing tip
whose 后略停，forgotten 升调收问。
Use it yourself
拒绝前提The deadline whose email never reached me?那封从没送到我邮箱的截止日期？
“'Cause I don't like your phrase.”
因为我不喜欢你的措辞。
Why it's great
六个词拒绝问法本身，不接对方的结论。
Pattern
I don't like your + 名词.
When to use
问题带陷阱、不想按对方框架答时。
Similar
I don't accept that wording. ／ That's not how I'd put it.
Register
informal
Shadowing tip
'Cause 轻轻带过，phrase 往下砸。
Use it yourself
顶回问法I don't like your framing. Ask me what I actually did.我不喜欢你这个问法。问我实际做了什么。
“Don't you mean "through"?”
你是不是想说「通过」？
Why it's great
一个介词把「进入组织」改成「经手渠道」。
Pattern
Don't you mean + 更准的词?
When to use
对方用词夸大或带结论，你要当场改口。
Similar
Don't you mean 'via'? ／ I think you mean 'through', not 'into'.
Register
formal
Shadowing tip
mean 后微停，through 咬清升调。
Use it yourself
纠正用词Don't you mean "reviewed", not "approved"?你是不是想说「审过」，不是「批准」？
Monologue
One character carrying the scene — shadow the whole passage❝ 基蒂拆掉问法
'Cause I don't like your phrase. Because Robert never had anything to do with the Communist Party as such. I know he gave money to Spanish refugees. I know he took an intellectual interest in Communist ideas...
因为我不喜欢你的措辞。 因为罗伯特从来没有 和共产党本身有过关系。 我知道他给过西班牙难民钱。 我知道他在智识上关心过 共产主义思想……
先拒措辞，再把捐款和思想兴趣从入党里切开。