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Cock-And-Bull Story 编造的故事IMDb ↗
安全官追问时，他编假故事把朋友护下来
Oppenheimer · 2023
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The story so far
Everything you need before watchingColonel Boris Pash sits down with Oppenheimer as Groves's man on the ground. Meeting him, he says, is like seeing a child he has only run by remote control. Then the real subject: Soviet interest in the Radiation Lab. Oppenheimer offers a chemist named Eltenton and a chain of acquaintances, later admitting it was a cock-and-bull story to protect a friend. At the hearing Groves calls it a schoolboy refusal to tell on someone. Watch how a lie is framed as loyalty.
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Boris Pashsecurity officer
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J. Robert Oppenheimerproject director
格
Leslie Grovesarmy general
Chapters
28 parts · AI-cut01Bohr Sends Him Away玻尔劝他离开实验室，去能想问题的地方C11'56"02Strauss Recruits Him有人拿房子通勤当挖角筹码B23'02"03Rabi On The Train火车上有人挖苦：美国人凭什么来讲新物理B21'39"04First Quantum Seminar第一堂课就把光既是粒子又是波讲成入门C12'08"05Party Politics Debate入党是关心这个世界B22'38"06Naming Los Alamos一生理想落在荒原尽头B21'45"07Kitty And Empty Space有人用酒杯解释世界是空的B22'53"08Lawrence Shuts The Union劳伦斯说你重要，所以电话早就被监听了C11'47"09Groves Offers The Job将军当众念完缺点清单，接着把计划交给他C13'42"10Einstein On Atmosphere点燃大气的概率近乎零，却拿整个世界当赌注C11'53"11Chevalier Approaches厨房里有人转述：资料可以走后门给苏联C11'32"12Teller Pitches Fusion特勒打断裂变课，说下一堂该讲百万吨级氢弹C11'55"13Condon Walks Out芝加哥堆刚临界，康登当场辞职说受不了规矩B22'21"14Last Night With Jean过夜之后他告诉琼，从此不能再见面B23'21"15Cock-And-Bull Story安全官追问时，他编假故事把朋友护下来C14'03"16Bohr On The Aftermath玻尔说即将揭开的力量会活过纳粹，那是新世界C12'35"17GAC Rejects The Super更大的炸弹只瞄准最大的城市，会上有人叫它屠杀C11'52"18Target Committee Meeting轰炸城市能少死人C13'33"19Trinity Weather Hold点火时刻押在黎明雨停C13'01"20Truman Oval Office他在白宫说手上有血，总统骂广岛不是他的戏B23'26"21Fuchs And The World生日会上听说富克斯一直在为苏联做间谍C11'31"22Moment Of The Explosion侥幸活着仍会死C11'54"23Power In The Shadows斯特劳斯把材料交给博登，权力留在阴影里C12'38"24Rabi Asks For Mermaids拉比反问：原子弹氢弹都有了，还要美人鱼吗C12'19"25Borden Reads The Letter博登当庭宣读：奥本海默更可能是苏联代理人C12'14"26Hill Names The Motive整人不过公报私仇C12'34"27Kitty On The Stand基蒂当场顶回去：我不喜欢你这种问法C12'36"28Did You Support The Bomb律师当庭问他后不后悔投弹，他只说做了本职C13'00"
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00:02
General Groves has placed in me a certain responsibility,
格罗夫斯将军把一份责任交给了我，
00:04
and it's like having a child who I can't see.
这就像有个孩子，我却看不见。
00:06
-Ah. -By remote control.
-啊。-全靠遥控。
00:10
So to actually meet you is...
所以真见到您，实在是……
00:13
I won't take up too much of your time .
我不会占用您太多时间。
00:15
No, no, not at all . Whatever time you choose.
不，不，完全不占用。您定多久都行。
00:17
Mm. Mr. Johnson told me of a conversation
嗯。约翰逊先生跟我说了一次谈话
00:20
you had yesterday in which I'm very interested .
就是您昨天那场，我很感兴趣。
00:22
It's had me worried all day.
这件事让我担心了一整天。
00:24
Yes, well, I didn't want to talk to Lomanitz
是，那个，我当时不想跟洛马尼茨谈
00:27
without authorization .
没得到授权不行。
00:28
That's not the particular interest that I have.
我关心的不是这个。
00:30
It's something a little bit more...
是一件稍微更……
00:33
...well, in my opinion , more serious.
……怎么说呢，在我看来，更严重的事。
00:34
Now, when the FBI pointed out that such information
当时联邦调查局指出，这样的情报
00:37
wouldn't be admissible in court, Pash made it clear
上不了法庭，帕什说得很清楚
00:39
he had no intention of leaving any witness left to prosecute.
他不打算留下任何还能被起诉的证人。
00:43
Now, the FBI talked him down ,
后来联邦调查局把他劝住了，
00:44
but that's the man you're dancing with .
可你现在就是在跟这种人周旋。
00:46
I gather you've heard there are other parties
我想您已经听说，还有别的方面
00:49
interested in the work of the Radiation Lab.
对辐射实验室的工作感兴趣。
00:51
A man attached to the Soviet Consul
一个挂在苏联领事馆名下的人
00:55
indicated, through intermediate people,
通过中间人表示，
00:58
to people on this project,
向这个项目上的人表示，
01:00
that he was in a position to transmit information.
他有办法把情报传出去。
01:03
Oh, why would anyone on the project want to do that?
哦，项目上的人为什么要这么做？
01:08
Frankly, I can see that there might be an argument
坦白说，我能理解一种说法：
01:10
for the Commander-in-Chief informing the Russians--
由总司令去通报俄国人——
01:13
they're our allies after all--
他们毕竟是我们的盟友——
01:15
but I don't like the idea of it going out the back door.
可我不喜欢这种从后门漏出去的做法。
01:18
It might not hurt to be on the lookout for it.
对此多留点心，也没什么坏处。
01:21
And you said that to Pash?
你就是这么跟帕什说的？
01:23
I was trying to put it
我是想把这件事
01:24
in a context of Russia's not Germany.
放在俄国不是德国这个语境里。
01:27
Boris Pash is the son of a Russian Orthodox bishop.
鲍里斯·帕什是俄罗斯东正教主教的儿子。
01:32
Born here, but in 1918, he went back to Russia
他在这边出生，但一九一八年又回到俄国
01:35
to fight the Bolsheviks.
去打布尔什维克。
01:37
This is a man who has killed Communists with his own hands .
这人亲手杀过共产党人。
01:39
I'm not the judge of who should or should not have information.
谁该不该掌握情报，轮不到我来判。
01:42
It's my business to stop it from going through illegally.
我的职责是拦住非法传出去的那些。
01:45
Would you be a little more specific?
您能再说具体一点吗？
01:50
There's a man whose name was mentioned to me
有个人，名字有人跟我提过
01:52
a couple of times . Eltenton.
提过好几次。埃尔坦顿。
01:56
Uh, I believe he's a chemist who works at Shell.
呃，我记得他是壳牌的化学家。
01:59
He talked to a friend of his
他跟他的一个朋友谈过
02:01
who's an acquaintance of someone on the project.
那朋友又认识项目上的某个人。
02:06
And you thought Pash would be satisfied with that?
你以为帕什会满足于这点？
02:09
I was attempting to give them Eltenton
我是想把埃尔坦顿交给他们
02:12
without opening a can of worms .
又免得捅开一窝麻烦。
02:13
I told them a cock-and-bull story .
我跟他们编了一套瞎话。
02:15
Did you lie to General Groves too?
你也对格罗夫斯将军撒了谎？
02:16
No. I admitted to him that I'd lied to Pash.
没有。我向他承认，我对帕什撒了谎。
02:20
Do you recall this conversation
这次谈话您还记得吗
02:21
about the Chevalier incident?
就是骑士事件那次？
02:24
I've seen so many versions of it . Um...
我见过太多版本了。嗯……
02:26
Wasn't confused before,
以前还不糊涂，
02:27
but I'm certainly getting there now.
现在倒真开始糊涂了。
02:29
And what was your conclusion?
那您的结论是什么？
02:30
That he was under the influence of
他当时受一种心理左右：
02:33
the typical American schoolboy attitude
典型的美国小学生心态，
02:36
that there's something wicked about telling on a friend .
觉得告发朋友是件很坏的事。
02:39
Well, now.
好，接下来。
02:41
Might we know through whom the contact was made?
我们能否知道，接触是通过谁进行的？
02:44
That would in... involve people
那就会……就会牵连到一些人
02:46
who are not to be involved in this .
不该被卷进这件事的人。
02:48
Is that someone a member of the project?
那个人是项目成员吗？
02:51
A member of the faculty, yes, but not in the project, no.
是教员，对，但不在项目里，不是。
02:55
Ah.
啊。
02:57
So Eltenton made his approach
所以埃尔坦顿是通过
02:58
through a member of the faculty here at Berkeley?
伯克利这边的一位教员去接触的？
03:03
As far as I know . As far as I know, yes.
据我所知。据我所知，是的。
03:06
But there-there may have been
不过也……也可能
03:08
more than one person involved.
不止一个人牵涉其中。
03:15
Gentlemen, if I... if I seem uncooperative,
各位，如果我……如果我显得不太配合，
03:18
I think you can understand that's because of my insistence
我想你们能理解，那是因为我坚持
03:21
in not getting innocent people into trouble .
不让无辜的人惹上麻烦。
03:23
You're trying to protect your friend.
你是在保护你的朋友。
03:25
Who's protecting you?
谁在保护你？
03:26
Well, you could.
这个，你可以。
03:28
If you gave me the name.
只要你把名字给我。
03:29
If you order me to, I'll do it .
如果你命令我，我就说。
03:31
That's a mistake, Robert.
那是错的，罗伯特。
03:32
You need to volunteer this name .
这个名字你得主动交出来。
03:35
And did he give you the name?
那他后来把名字给你了吗？
03:37
He did.
给了。
03:38
-But not then, did he? -No.
-但不是当时，对吧？-对。
03:39
No. In fact, it was some months later, wasn't it?
对。其实是几个月以后，是不是？
03:41
It was.
是的。
03:43
You see me as persistent.
你觉得我很缠。
03:44
Well, you are...
这个，你的确……
03:46
you are persistent, but that is your job.
你的确很缠，不过那是你的工作。
03:48
And-and my job is to protect the people that work for me.
而我的工作，是保护为我干活的人。
03:51
Instead of us going on certain steps,
与其我们采取某些步骤，
03:53
which may come to your attention ...
这些步骤也许会传到您耳朵里……
03:57
...and be disturbing to you,
……也让您不安，
03:59
I would like to discuss those with you first.
我希望先跟您商量这些事。
04:02
I'm not formulating a plan.
我并没有在制定计划。
04:03
I'll just have to digest the whole thing .
我得先把整件事消化一下。
Language points
Click a card to jump to its moment in the videoCollocationA2↩ 00:13
take up someone's time
take up someone's time
占用某人太多时间
I won't take up too much of your time .
我不会占用您太多时间。
Pronunciation↩ 00:13
take up too
take up 连成 /teɪkʌp/，too 再加重。
I won't take up too much of your time .
我不会占用您太多时间。
CollocationA2↩ 00:15
not at all
not at all
完全不、哪儿的话
No, no, not at all . Whatever time you choose.
不，不，完全不占用。您定多久都行。
GrammarB2↩ 00:20
in which I'm very interested
介词定语从句：in which 把兴趣对象接到 conversation 上，正式书面味。
you had yesterday in which I'm very interested .
就是您昨天那场，我很感兴趣。
CollocationB1↩ 00:27
without authorization
without authorization
未经授权
without authorization .
没得到授权不行。
CollocationA2↩ 00:33
in my opinion
in my opinion
依我看
...well, in my opinion , more serious.
……怎么说呢，在我看来，更严重的事。
CollocationB1↩ 00:37
make it clear
make it clear
说得很明白
wouldn't be admissible in court, Pash made it clear
上不了法庭，帕什说得很清楚
CollocationB2↩ 00:39
have no intention of doing
have no intention of doing
无意做某事
he had no intention of leaving any witness left to prosecute.
他不打算留下任何还能被起诉的证人。
GrammarC1↩ 00:39
had no intention of leaving any witness left to prosecute
动名词宾语：intention of + doing：无意留下任何还能被起诉的证人。
he had no intention of leaving any witness left to prosecute.
他不打算留下任何还能被起诉的证人。
Pronunciation↩ 00:43
talked him down
him 常吞成 'im，听成 talked'm down。
Now, the FBI talked him down ,
后来联邦调查局把他劝住了，
SlangC1↩ 00:44
dancing with
在跟这人周旋——比喻共处危险对象，不是真跳舞
but that's the man you're dancing with .
可你现在就是在跟这种人周旋。
CollocationB2↩ 01:00
in a position to do something
in a position to do something
有能力/有资格去做
that he was in a position to transmit information.
他有办法把情报传出去。
CollocationB1↩ 01:18
on the lookout for something
on the lookout for something
留意提防某事
It might not hurt to be on the lookout for it.
对此多留点心，也没什么坏处。
CollocationA2↩ 01:37
with one's own hands
with one's own hands
亲手、亲自下手
This is a man who has killed Communists with his own hands .
这人亲手杀过共产党人。
Pronunciation↩ 01:45
Would you be
Would you 弱成 /wʊdʒə/，be 轻轻带过。
Would you be a little more specific?
您能再说具体一点吗？
CollocationA2↩ 01:52
a couple of times
a couple of times
几次
a couple of times . Eltenton.
提过好几次。埃尔坦顿。
CollocationB2↩ 02:12
open a can of worms
open a can of worms
捅开一窝麻烦
without opening a can of worms .
又免得捅开一窝麻烦。
SlangB2↩ 02:12
can of worms
一窝收不住的麻烦——口语，正式改说 complications
without opening a can of worms .
又免得捅开一窝麻烦。
CollocationC1↩ 02:13
a cock-and-bull story
a cock-and-bull story
瞎编的假话
I told them a cock-and-bull story .
我跟他们编了一套瞎话。
Pronunciation↩ 02:13
cock-and-bull story
COCK 和 BULL 都重，story 落下。
I told them a cock-and-bull story .
我跟他们编了一套瞎话。
SlangC1↩ 02:13
cock-and-bull story
瞎编的假话——口语自嘲或拆穿，听证里偏刺耳
I told them a cock-and-bull story .
我跟他们编了一套瞎话。
GrammarB1↩ 02:24
I've seen so many versions of it
现在完成时：I've seen：到此刻为止见过太多版本，所以开始糊涂。
I've seen so many versions of it . Um...
我见过太多版本了。嗯……
CollocationB2↩ 02:30
under the influence of something
under the influence of something
受…左右/影响
这里不是酒驾，是受那种小学生心态支配
That he was under the influence of
他当时受一种心理左右：
CollocationB1↩ 02:36
tell on someone
tell on someone
告发朋友
that there's something wicked about telling on a friend .
觉得告发朋友是件很坏的事。
GrammarB2↩ 02:36
there's something wicked about telling on a friend
something+about：there's something + 形容词 + about doing：做这事让人觉得缺德。
that there's something wicked about telling on a friend .
觉得告发朋友是件很坏的事。
Pronunciation↩ 02:36
telling on a
on a 的 n 连过去，a 极弱。
that there's something wicked about telling on a friend .
觉得告发朋友是件很坏的事。
GrammarB2↩ 02:46
are not to be involved in this
be to结构：be not to=不该/不准被卷进来，带规定口吻。
who are not to be involved in this .
不该被卷进这件事的人。
CollocationA2↩ 03:03
as far as I know
as far as I know
据我所知
As far as I know . As far as I know, yes.
据我所知。据我所知，是的。
Pronunciation↩ 03:03
As far as
as 两次都弱成 /əz/，far 才清楚。
As far as I know . As far as I know, yes.
据我所知。据我所知，是的。
CollocationA2↩ 03:21
get someone into trouble
get someone into trouble
给某人惹上麻烦
in not getting innocent people into trouble .
不让无辜的人惹上麻烦。
GrammarB1↩ 03:29
If you order me to, I'll do it
不定式省略：order me to 后面省掉 give the name，条件一满足就交。
If you order me to, I'll do it .
如果你命令我，我就说。
CollocationB2↩ 03:32
volunteer something
volunteer something
主动交出某信息
You need to volunteer this name .
这个名字你得主动交出来。
CollocationB1↩ 03:53
come to someone's attention
come to someone's attention
传到某人耳朵里、引起注意
which may come to your attention ...
这些步骤也许会传到您耳朵里……
CollocationB1↩ 04:03
digest something
digest something
把整件事消化、慢慢想明白
I'll just have to digest the whole thing .
我得先把整件事消化一下。
Teaching points
Review right after watchingMy level
above my level
IdiomC1↩ 02:13
cock-and-bull story
瞎编的、离谱的假话
In the scene听证里奥本海默承认，当年对帕什编了一套假故事。
He gave the landlord a cock-and-bull story about a broken pipe.他跟房东编了一套水管爆了的瞎话。
In daily life
请假被拆HR heard a cock-and-bull story about a sick grandmother.人事听到一套奶奶病了的瞎话。
above my level
IdiomB2↩ 02:12
a can of worms
捅开一窝麻烦
In the scene奥本海默只想交出埃尔坦顿，别把骑士等朋友卷进来。
Asking who approved the budget opened a can of worms.一问预算谁批的，麻烦就收不住了。
In daily life
查旧账Don't audit last year's invoices unless you want a can of worms.别查去年发票，除非你想捅马蜂窝。
above my level
IdiomB2↩ 01:15
out the back door
走后门、私下漏出去
In the scene奥本海默说情报可以官方通报盟友，但不能偷偷传给苏联。
The numbers went out the back door before the board meeting.数字在董事会前就从非正式渠道漏出去了。
In daily life
泄密投诉If this list goes out the back door, we lose the bid.这名单要是私下漏出去，标就没了。
above my level
Phrasal verbB2↩ 00:43
talk someone down
劝住、把人压下来
In the scene听证旁白：帕什本想灭口，联邦调查局把他劝住了。
Security wanted to lock the building; legal talked them down.安保要封楼，法务把他们劝住了。
In daily life
劝同事He was about to quit on the spot. I talked him down.他当时要当场辞职。我把他劝住了。
above my level
IronyC1↩ 00:44
dancing with
你在跟这种人周旋
In the scene听证提醒奥本海默：帕什亲手杀过共产党，不是舞伴。
You wanted the cheapest vendor. That's the partner you're dancing with.你要最便宜的供应商。你现在共舞的就是这种搭档。
In daily life
提醒风险He never puts anything in writing. That's the client you're dancing with.他从不落字。你周旋的就是这种客户。
auto-pauses
DiscourseB1↩ 03:03
as far as I know
据我所知、我只能说到这
In the scene帕什追问接触路径，奥本海默连说两遍，给自己留退路。
As far as I know, the file never left this floor.据我所知，那份档案没离开过这层楼。
In daily life
被追问As far as I know, nobody copied the keys.据我所知，没人配过钥匙。
auto-pauses
Phrasal verbB1↩ 02:36
tell on someone
告发朋友、打小报告
In the scene格罗夫斯把奥本海默护骑士，说成小学生不肯告密。
Kids learn early that telling on a classmate has a cost.小孩很早就知道告发同学是要付出代价的。
In daily life
办公室I'm not telling on a colleague over a late timesheet.我不会为了迟到考勤去告同事。
Golden lines
A great line in its own right — why and how to use it“I told them a cock-and-bull story.”
我跟他们编了一套瞎话。
Why it's great
四个词把盘问里的谎言钉死，自嘲里带着认账。
Pattern
tell someone a cock-and-bull story
When to use
承认自己编过离谱假话、或拆穿别人瞎编时。
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I made the whole thing up. ／ That's a tall tale.
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informal
Shadowing tip
cock、bull 两下砸，story 落下。
Use it yourself
拆穿借口Don't tell me a cock-and-bull story about the traffic.别拿堵车跟我编瞎话。
“that there's something wicked about telling on a friend.”
觉得告发朋友是件很坏的事。
Why it's great
用小学生口吻把告密说成缺德，把护友钉成幼稚。
Pattern
there's something + adj. about doing
When to use
点评某种行为让人不舒服、说不清但就是别扭时。
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There's something wrong about betraying a friend. ／ It feels wrong to tell on someone.
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literary
Shadowing tip
wicked 拉长，telling on 连着读。
Use it yourself
劝别告密There's something ugly about telling on a teammate.告发队友，总觉得有点恶心。
“You need to volunteer this name.”
这个名字你得主动交出来。
Why it's great
命令他「自愿」，把强迫包装成主动配合。
Pattern
You need to volunteer + 信息/名字
When to use
对方只肯被逼才说、你要他主动交出来时。
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You should offer the name yourself. ／ This has to come from you.
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formal
Shadowing tip
need、volunteer 两处加重，name 收住。
Use it yourself
内部调查You need to volunteer the source, or it looks worse.你得主动交出消息来源，否则更难看。
Monologue
One character carrying the scene — shadow the whole passage❝ 帕什铺苏联线
I gather you've heard there are other parties interested in the work of the Radiation Lab. A man attached to the Soviet Consul indicated, through intermediate people, to people on this project, that he was in a position to transmit information.
我想您已经听说，还有别的方面 对辐射实验室的工作感兴趣。 一个挂在苏联领事馆名下的人 通过中间人表示， 向这个项目上的人表示， 他有办法把情报传出去。
从听说、中间人到能传情报，一层层把网收紧。