The Man from Earth · 2007 — Capítulo 8 de 10 · 3'06" · C1

Pressing John About the Bible, Explained: no need of that hypothesis

On the surface this is an argument about God, creation, and whether someone in the room appears in the Bible. Underneath, one side wants a name and the other wants the evening to stop. "I hoped it wouldn't. We... call it a night" lands as the questions turn personal, and the room still demands an answer.

Qué pasa

Someone is challenged with just happened, then asked why God would allow it, and if John is religious. Laplace drops a hypothesis. A prime mover is raised, and hiding stays inside an if. Guesses name Moses and an apostle. A New Testament in 100 words is offered. Edith is told to sit, sacrilege is charged, and nothing has been said yet.

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no need of that hypothesis

that explanation is unnecessary

Asked about God, someone cites a hypothesis he can do without, and stays calm.

The late train needs no conspiracy; we have no need of that hypothesis.

También en esta escena

  • just happened

    it merely occurred

  • I'd be hiding, too

    I would hide too, inside that if

  • prime mover

    a first cause nothing else moves

  • spit it out

    say the held-back fact now

  • call it a night

    this evening ends here

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30 notas en 67 frases

Expresión · B2just happen

it merely occurred

Someone quotes You said you just happened, and the next line is I don't believe that. Just happened only means it merely occurred.

You said you just happened.
Expresión · C1allow someone to happen

allow someone to come into the world happen means coming into being, not an accident

If your story's true, why did God allow you to happen?
Expresión · B2make a point

raise a point worth taking up

That makes an interesting point.
Sonidoan interesting

Let the n in an run into interesting without a gap.

That makes an interesting point.
Expresión · B2follow a religion

follow an established religion

I don't follow a known religion. No.
Expresión · B2get over something

move on from something it is the old religion; never means some people never moved on.

Some just never get over it.
Expresión · C1have no need of something

that explanation is unnecessary

Asked about God, someone cites a hypothesis he can do without, and stays calm.

As Laplace said, "I have no need of that hypothesis."
Sonidono need

Stress no need and let hypothesis trail off.

As Laplace said, "I have no need of that hypothesis."
Expresión · B2the best someone could do

the best result I could manage

Pfft. If this was the best I could do, I'd be hiding, too.
Gramática · B2If this was the best I could do

unreal conditional: Was plus I'd marks a hypothetical, not a memory of hiding.

Pfft. If this was the best I could do, I'd be hiding, too.
SonidoI'd be hiding

Keep I'd tiny so hiding carries the sneer.

Pfft. If this was the best I could do, I'd be hiding, too.
Jerga · B1Pfft

a snort of dismissal — Fine among friends; don't open a formal remark with it.

Pfft. If this was the best I could do, I'd be hiding, too.
Expresión · C1something affecting something

one field acting on another Here fields are physics fields, not farmland.

Maybe it's just accumulated, fields affecting fields.
Expresión · C1a prime mover

a first cause nothing else moves

Wouldn't that imply a prime mover asks for a first cause. The next line wonders about that source and infinite regress, without showing who won.

Wouldn't that imply a prime mover?
Expresión · C1infinite regress

causes that never reach a first one

I'd wonder about the source of the prime mover, infinite regress, but that doesn't imply anything to me.
Expresión · B2in religious terms

put in religious terms

It's a very old question, But there's no answer except in religious terms.
Expresión · B2a biblical figure

a person who appears in the Bible

A biblical figure?
Expresión · B1skip something

leave this question unanswered

We should skip this one.
Jerga · B1Good lord

a shocked exclamation — A shock cry, not a phrase for a solemn statement.

Good lord! You were one of them!
Expresión · B2religious history

the history of religion

Come on! You were someone in religious history?
Gramática · B2How could we not know

rhetorical question: The question asserts we would know a biblical person, rather than asking.

How could we not know someone in the Bible?
Expresión · B2mostly something

mostly myth

You may think you know him, but it's mostly myth.
Expresión · C1myth and allegory

myth and allegory

The entire Bible is mostly myth and allegory with maybe some basis in historical events.
Expresión · B2basis in something

a basis in historical events

The entire Bible is mostly myth and allegory with maybe some basis in historical events.
Gramática · B2that were parted so followers could be led

relative clause: that ties the parting to the waters, and so gives the purpose.

waters that were parted so followers could be led to freedom and even receive laws on stone or wooden tablets.
Expresión · C1mythical overlay

a layer of myth on top

The mythical overlay is so enormous...
Expresión · B2in N words or less

in at most one hundred words Here the whole New Testament has to be compressed into a very short passage.

The New Testament in 100 words or less: you ready?
Jerga · A2wanna

casual want to — Spoken contraction; avoid it in formal writing.

I don't think I wanna hear this.
Expresión · B1act like someone believes

your manner makes you seem convinced

Sit down, Edith. You act like you believe him.
Sonidoanything yet

Land on yet so the point is the timing.

He hasn't said anything yet.

Pressing John About the Bible, explicado

What's really going on

"Are you religious, John?" is followed by "I don't follow a known religion." Then Laplace: "I have no need of that hypothesis." After "We just can't see him," the line "If this was the best I could do, I'd be hiding, too" stays hypothetical. "Wouldn't that imply a prime mover?" is answered by wondering about that source, "infinite regress," and "that doesn't imply anything to me." Someone asks, "Did you ever meet any person from our religious history?" "We should skip this one" is refused with "Come on, spit it out!" The replies that follow are narrow: yes, in the Bible; then "You may think you know him, but it's mostly myth." Moses is tied to an older myth. Peter "learned a little more about fishing." "The New Testament in 100 words or less" is offered and not spoken. Someone asks, "Harry, will you take me home?" Edith is told, "Sit down, Edith. You act like you believe him." "It's sacrilege" meets "He hasn't said anything yet."

Theme

FaithA question asks why God would allow the story. Laplace is used to drop the hypothesis. An unsaid summary is met with a charge of sacrilege.
PhilosophyCreation is answered with fields affecting fields, a prime mover is met with infinite regress, and the Bible is called mostly myth and allegory.

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  • an interesting — Let the n in an run into interesting without a gap.
  • no need — Stress no need and let hypothesis trail off.
  • I'd be hiding — Keep I'd tiny so hiding carries the sneer.
  • anything yet — Land on yet so the point is the timing.
If your story's true, why did God allow you to happen?

A challenge to merely happening: if the story is true, the problem is why God allowed it at all.

As Laplace said, "I have no need of that hypothesis."

Used when belief in God is on the table: the hypothesis is unnecessary, which is the whole point of borrowing Laplace.

Pfft. If this was the best I could do, I'd be hiding, too.

After we can't see him: if this were the best the speaker could do, hiding would follow. The poor result stays inside the if, and the line mocks that picture.

You may think you know him, but it's mostly myth.

The next line, after I mean somebody important, says what you think you know is mostly myth.

Peter the fisherman learned a little more about fishing.

The apostles are cut down to size. Peter gets no real teaching, only a small improvement in fishing.

He hasn't said anything yet.

The answer to the sacrilege charge. The short New Testament has been offered, not spoken, so the offense is declared early.

Preguntas sobre esta escena

Why bring up Laplace in an argument about God?

The question just before it is "Do you believe in God?" The reply borrows Laplace: "I have no need of that hypothesis." That drops God as a required explanation. "He may be around, though" and "He's everywhere. We just can't see him" come next. "If this was the best I could do, I'd be hiding, too" answers the not-seeing with a joke, and the poor result stays inside the if.

Why is skipping the biblical question refused?

"We should skip this one" is answered at once with "No, no, no skipping." "Next question" does not work either: "No, come on!" and "Come on, spit it out!" follow. "We... call it a night" comes after that, and the room still wants the name.

Which biblical figures get named in the guesses?

Moses is named, then set aside as based on Misis, a Syrian myth, with earlier versions that share a child found on the water, a staff turned into a snake, parted waters, and laws on tablets. "One of the apostles" is guessed next. The reply is that they were not really apostles and did no real teaching. Peter "learned a little more about fishing." The important name is not given.

Why call it sacrilege before the summary is spoken?

"The New Testament in 100 words or less: you ready?" is only an offer. Someone says they do not want to hear it and asks, "Harry, will you take me home?" The answer is no, because that person does want to hear it. Edith is told, "Sit down, Edith. You act like you believe him." Then comes "It's sacrilege." The comeback is "How can it be sacrilege?" and "He hasn't said anything yet."

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