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Everything you need before watchingPhil Saviano walks into the Globe meeting room with a box and a blunt question: is he the first survivor they have actually sat down with? He offers SNAP's files, then walks them through how a priest grooms a poor Catholic kid until refusal feels like refusing God. Then he turns on the paper: he sent all of this five years ago, and nobody wanted it. After he steps out, the reporters argue whether he has an agenda, and whether thirteen names in Boston would change everything.
萨
Phil SavianoSNAP founder
萨
Sacha PfeifferSpotlight reporter
迈
Mike RezendesSpotlight reporter
罗
Walter RobinsonSpotlight editor
马
Matt CarrollSpotlight reporter
Chapters
21 parts · AI-cut01Baron Meets Robinson新上司见面先谈裁员不谈球B22'14"02First Meeting Geoghan有人第一天就想把教会告上法庭B22'40"03MacLeish Shitty Cases律师把儿童案子说成很难打C11'56"04Garabedian First Visit有人说教会是按世纪来想问题C12'22"05Cardinal Law Meeting权势人物请客时劝你别单独硬刚C11'46"06Saviano Tells SNAP信仰被夺走的过程从头讲清C14'20"07Cafe Survivor Interviews有人逼你把伤害说得足够具体C17'17"08MacLeish No Paper Trail和解协议把一切都按进私下调解C11'55"09Takes A Village有人说伤害孩子得整座城一起沉默C11'47"10Sipe Six Percent有人用百分比把丑闻算成规模C13'42"11Eighty-Seven Names档案室里人名对上才知道有多少B21'42"12Parking Lot Ultimatum有人拿两篇稿逼你交出名单C11'35"13Go After The System上司要你打制度不打单个人C11'47"14Springfield Hearing法庭上有人禁止你点名那位领导C11'59"15Sealed Docs Are Public有人告诉你封存文件其实已经公开C13'05"16Get On The Same Page校友会把捂事说成大家先统一口径C12'36"17Proof Versus Rush铁证在手仍有人坚持不能抢发C12'52"18How It Happens熟人劝酒时把整座城的沉默说圆C12'12"19Six Weeks To Publish胜诉之后仍有人要求先把全貌写完C13'30"20Where Were You有人问你明明都知道为何现在才来C12'10"21Why We Do This截稿夜里有人追问自己为何来晚C14'30"
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00:02
I'm here to see Sacha Pfeiffer.
我来找萨莎·普法伊弗。
00:04
Your name? Phil Saviano.
您贵姓？菲尔·萨维亚诺。
00:06
Okay, just a minute.
好的，稍等。
00:09
So am I the first survivor you've talked to?
那我是你们谈过的第一个幸存者吗？
00:13
Yeah, Phil. You are.
是的，菲尔。你是。
00:13
Okay, well...
好吧，那……
00:15
First of all , let me say thank you for having me in today.
首先，谢谢你们今天让我进来。
00:19
And I want you to know
而且我想让你们知道
00:21
that you have the full cooperation of my organization, SNAP.
我的组织 SNAP 会全力配合你们。
00:24
How many members are in your organization, Phil?
菲尔，你们组织有多少成员？
00:26
We had 11 at our last chapter meeting...
上次分会开会时我们有十一人……
00:28
Uh, no, 10. Karen just moved.
呃，不对，十个。凯伦刚搬走。
00:31
You had a woman in your group?
你们组里有个女的？
00:33
Of course there was a woman. They don't discriminate,
当然有女人。他们可不挑，
00:34
not when it comes to abuse.
虐待这种事上从不挑。
00:36
And this has nothing to do with being gay.
这跟是不是同性恋毫无关系。
00:38
What this is, is priests using the collar to rape kids.
这件事的本质，是神父利用神职去强奸孩子。
00:41
Kids. Boys and girls.
孩子。男孩和女孩。
00:50
I was 11,
我当时十一岁，
00:52
and I was preyed upon by Father David Holley in Worcester.
在伍斯特被戴维·霍利神父猎食。
00:56
And I don't mean prayed for. I mean preyed upon .
我不是说为我祈祷。我是说被他猎食。
01:00
Are any of you Catholic?
你们有人是天主教徒吗？
01:02
I was raised Catholic . Now I go to my wife's Presbyterian church.
我从小信天主。现在跟我妻子去长老会。
01:07
I'm lapsed .
我已经疏远教会了。
01:09
I go to church with my grandmother sometimes.
我有时跟奶奶去教堂。
01:11
It's safe to say we were all raised Catholic, but now...
可以肯定我们都是天主教家庭长大的，不过现在……
01:14
Not so much.
没那么信了。
01:16
Okay. Well, let me tell you.
好。那我跟你们讲。
01:18
When you're a poor kid from a poor family, religion counts for a lot.
你要是穷孩子、穷人家，宗教就很重要。
01:22
And when a priest pays attention to you, it's a big deal .
神父要是关注你，那可是件大事。
01:26
He asks you to collect the hymnals
他让你去收赞美诗本
01:27
or take out the trash, you feel special.
或者去倒垃圾，你会觉得自己被选中了。
01:29
It's like God asking for help.
就像上帝在请你帮忙。
01:32
So maybe it's a little weird when he tells you a dirty joke,
所以他给你讲荤段子时，也许会觉得有点怪，
01:35
but now you got a secret together, so you go along .
可你们已经有了共同的秘密，于是你就顺着。
01:39
Then he shows you a porno mag , and you go along .
然后他给你看色情杂志，你还是顺着。
01:43
And you go along , and you go along,
你顺着，再顺着，
01:45
until one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blow job .
直到有一天他让你给他手淫，或者给他口交。
01:48
And so you go along with that, too,
于是那件事你也顺着做了，
01:50
because you feel trapped,
因为你觉得自己被困住了，
01:52
because he has groomed you.
因为他已经把你一步步养成了。
01:55
How do you say no to God, right?
你要怎么对上帝说不，对吧？
01:58
See,
听着，
02:00
it is important to understand that this is not just physical abuse,
必须明白，这不只是身体上的虐待，
02:02
it's spiritual abuse, too.
也是精神上、信仰上的虐待。
02:05
And when a priest does this to you, he robs you of your faith.
神父对你做这种事，就是把你的信仰抢走。
02:10
So you reach for the bottle or the needle.
于是你去抓酒瓶，或者去抓针管。
02:13
Or if those don't work, you jump off a bridge.
要是那些都不灵，你就从桥上跳下去。
02:15
That's why we call ourselves survivors.
所以我们才自称幸存者。
02:17
Have you read Jason Berry's book?
你们读过杰森·贝里的书吗？
02:18
He wrote about the Gauthe case in Louisiana?
他写过路易斯安那的高特案？
02:20
Uh, that's "G"... G-A-U-T-H-E.
呃，是 G……G-A-U-T-H-E。
02:22
Here. And talk to Richard Sipe.
给。再去找理查德·赛普谈谈。
02:24
He worked in one of the Church's treatment centers.
他在教会的一所治疗中心工作过。
02:27
He's an ex-priest,
他以前是神父，
02:29
married a nun.
后来娶了个修女。
02:31
Here.
给。
02:32
This is his testimony from the Kos case.
这是他在科斯案里的证词。
02:34
Uh, Phil, what's a treatment center?
呃，菲尔，治疗中心是什么？
02:36
It's where they send priests when they get caught.
就是神父被抓包之后送去的地方。
02:37
This is all right here in the box,
这些全在这箱子里，
02:39
I sent this all to you guys five years ago.
五年前我就全寄给你们了。
02:41
Uh, to the Globe? Who did you send it to?
呃，寄给《环球报》？寄给谁了？
02:47
I don't wanna say who, but they said that they weren't interested.
我不想说是谁，但他们说没兴趣。
02:49
Uh, but Phil, we did run a couple of stories on you.
呃，可是菲尔，我们确实发过几篇关于你的报道。
02:52
I saw them in the clips.
我在剪报里见过。
02:53
Yeah, but to be completely frank , it wasn't enough.
是啊，但说实话，那远远不够。
02:57
You guys gotta understand,
你们得明白，
03:00
this is big.
这事很大。
03:01
This is not just Boston. It's the whole country. It's the whole world.
这不只是波士顿。是全国。是全世界。
03:05
And it goes right up to the Vatican.
而且一直通到梵蒂冈。
03:08
Do you have any proof of that, Phil?
菲尔，你有证据吗？
03:10
No, not yet. But think about it, there are so many of them.
还没有。但你想啊，他们那么多。
03:13
How else could they have hidden it for so long?
不然他们怎么能瞒这么久？
03:15
So many what? Priests!
那么多什么？神父！
03:17
Priests!
神父！
03:19
I know of 13 right here in Boston.
光波士顿我就知道十三个。
03:22
You know 13 priests in Boston who have molested children?
你知道波士顿有十三个神父性侵过儿童？
03:26
Yeah, why do you keep repeating everything I say?
是啊，你怎么老把我说的每句话重复一遍？
03:28
I just like to clarify things.
我只是想把事情核对清楚。
03:31
Maybe you should have clarified it five years ago
也许五年前你就该核对清楚
03:32
when I sent you all of this stuff!
在我把这些东西全寄给你们的时候！
03:34
It's all right here!
全在这儿！
03:45
May I use your bathroom?
我能用一下洗手间吗？
03:47
Yeah, sure, Phil.
行，当然，菲尔。
03:49
Come on.
走吧。
03:56
Well, what do you think?
所以，你们怎么看？
04:00
Well, the guy, he's got an agenda, that's for sure.
这人啊，肯定是带着目的来的。
04:02
You think? He's obviously been through a lot .
是吗？他明明吃过很多苦。
04:03
But he's smart, and if he's right about 13 priests...
可他很聪明，要是他那十三个神父是真的……
04:06
Yeah, it might be a big "if" with this guy.
是啊，这人身上这个「如果」可能很大。
04:08
Do a background check on him,
先查查他的背景，
04:09
and follow up with some of the other survivors of his group.
再去跟他组织里其他幸存者核实一下。
04:11
I'll track down this ex-priest, Sipe.
我去把这个前神父赛普找到。
04:14
Okay, but stay on Garabedian. That's more important.
行，但加拉本迪安别放下。那个更要紧。
04:16
Garabedian, what a pain in the ass .
加拉本迪安，真是个讨厌鬼。
04:19
You can be a pain in the ass , Mike.
你也可以很讨人厌，迈克。
04:21
Mmm.
嗯。
Language points
Click a card to jump to its moment in the videoCollocationA2↩ 00:15
first of all
first of all
首先
First of all , let me say thank you for having me in today.
首先，谢谢你们今天让我进来。
CollocationB1↩ 00:15
have someone in
have someone in
请某人进来坐
First of all , let me say thank you for having me in today.
首先，谢谢你们今天让我进来。
CollocationB1↩ 00:21
the full cooperation of someone
the full cooperation of someone
全力配合
that you have the full cooperation of my organization, SNAP.
我的组织 SNAP 会全力配合你们。
CollocationA2↩ 00:34
when it comes to something
when it comes to something
说到…的时候
not when it comes to abuse.
虐待这种事上从不挑。
GrammarA2↩ 00:34
when it comes to abuse
话题从句：when it comes to X 用来切换到真正要谈的那一点。
not when it comes to abuse.
虐待这种事上从不挑。
CollocationA2↩ 00:36
have nothing to do with something
have nothing to do with something
跟…毫无关系
And this has nothing to do with being gay.
这跟是不是同性恋毫无关系。
GrammarB2↩ 00:38
What this is, is
分裂句：What this is, is… 把话题先提起，再给出定性。
What this is, is priests using the collar to rape kids.
这件事的本质，是神父利用神职去强奸孩子。
CollocationB2↩ 00:52
prey on/upon someone
prey on/upon someone
把某人当猎物侵害
and I was preyed upon by Father David Holley in Worcester.
在伍斯特被戴维·霍利神父猎食。
GrammarB1↩ 00:56
I don't mean prayed for. I mean preyed upon
纠正对比：I don't mean X. I mean Y. 先否定听错的意思，再钉上真意思。
And I don't mean prayed for. I mean preyed upon .
我不是说为我祈祷。我是说被他猎食。
Pronunciation↩ 00:56
preyed upon
preyed 和 prayed 同音，upon 必须咬清。
And I don't mean prayed for. I mean preyed upon .
我不是说为我祈祷。我是说被他猎食。
CollocationB1↩ 01:02
be raised + religion
be raised + religion
从小按某信仰长大
I was raised Catholic . Now I go to my wife's Presbyterian church.
我从小信天主。现在跟我妻子去长老会。
SlangB2↩ 01:07
lapsed
已疏远教会——天主教圈内说法，指不再实践信仰
I'm lapsed .
我已经疏远教会了。
CollocationB1↩ 01:11
it's safe to say
it's safe to say
可以肯定地说
It's safe to say we were all raised Catholic, but now...
可以肯定我们都是天主教家庭长大的，不过现在……
CollocationA2↩ 01:22
pay attention to someone
pay attention to someone
关注、留意某人
And when a priest pays attention to you, it's a big deal .
神父要是关注你，那可是件大事。
CollocationA2↩ 01:22
a big deal
a big deal
大事、很了不起
And when a priest pays attention to you, it's a big deal .
神父要是关注你，那可是件大事。
CollocationB1↩ 01:35
go along (with something)
go along (with something)
顺着、跟着做
but now you got a secret together, so you go along .
可你们已经有了共同的秘密，于是你就顺着。
Pronunciation↩ 01:35
got a secret
got a 的 t 弹成 /d/，像 godda。
but now you got a secret together, so you go along .
可你们已经有了共同的秘密，于是你就顺着。
SlangB2↩ 01:39
porno mag
色情杂志——缩略口语，正式写作写 pornography magazine
Then he shows you a porno mag , and you go along .
然后他给你看色情杂志，你还是顺着。
Pronunciation↩ 01:43
go along
重复时越来越紧，along 不要拖。
And you go along , and you go along,
你顺着，再顺着，
Pronunciation↩ 01:45
jerk him off
him 常吞成 'im，听成 jerkim off。
until one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blow job .
直到有一天他让你给他手淫，或者给他口交。
SlangC1↩ 01:45
jerk him off
给他手淫——极粗生理俚语，课堂和正式场合禁用
until one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blow job .
直到有一天他让你给他手淫，或者给他口交。
SlangC1↩ 01:45
blow job
口交——极粗，只在非常随便的口语里出现
until one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blow job .
直到有一天他让你给他手淫，或者给他口交。
CollocationA2↩ 01:55
say no to someone
say no to someone
对某人说不
How do you say no to God, right?
你要怎么对上帝说不，对吧？
GrammarB1↩ 01:55
How do you say no to God, right?
反问附加：How do you… 不是真问办法，right 把听众拉进同意。
How do you say no to God, right?
你要怎么对上帝说不，对吧？
Pronunciation↩ 01:55
say no to God
no 和 God 两处都重，像钉钉子。
How do you say no to God, right?
你要怎么对上帝说不，对吧？
CollocationB2↩ 02:05
rob someone of something
rob someone of something
夺走某人的…
And when a priest does this to you, he robs you of your faith.
神父对你做这种事，就是把你的信仰抢走。
GrammarB2↩ 02:05
he robs you of your faith
rob of结构：rob someone of + 被夺走的东西，of 后面常是抽象名词。
And when a priest does this to you, he robs you of your faith.
神父对你做这种事，就是把你的信仰抢走。
CollocationB1↩ 02:10
reach for something
reach for something
伸手去拿
这里 bottle/needle=酗酒或吸毒
So you reach for the bottle or the needle.
于是你去抓酒瓶，或者去抓针管。
CollocationB1↩ 02:53
to be frank
to be frank
说实话、打开天窗
Yeah, but to be completely frank , it wasn't enough.
是啊，但说实话，那远远不够。
Pronunciation↩ 02:53
to be completely frank
frank 最重，前面几个词轻轻带过。
Yeah, but to be completely frank , it wasn't enough.
是啊，但说实话，那远远不够。
Pronunciation↩ 02:57
guys gotta understand
gotta 是 got to 的吞音，o 很短。
You guys gotta understand,
你们得明白，
SlangA2↩ 02:57
gotta
得、必须——got to 的口语吞音，书面别写
You guys gotta understand,
你们得明白，
GrammarB2↩ 03:31
should have clarified it
虚拟完成：should have done 责备过去该做却没做的事。
Maybe you should have clarified it five years ago
也许五年前你就该核对清楚
CollocationB1↩ 04:02
go through a lot / been through a lot
go through a lot / been through a lot
经历了很多磨难
You think? He's obviously been through a lot .
是吗？他明明吃过很多苦。
CollocationB1↩ 04:08
do a background check on someone
do a background check on someone
做背景调查
Do a background check on him,
先查查他的背景，
CollocationB1↩ 04:09
follow up with someone
follow up with someone
跟进、再联系核实
and follow up with some of the other survivors of his group.
再去跟他组织里其他幸存者核实一下。
CollocationB1↩ 04:11
track someone down
track someone down
追查到某人
I'll track down this ex-priest, Sipe.
我去把这个前神父赛普找到。
CollocationB2↩ 04:14
stay on someone/something
stay on someone/something
继续盯着、别放下
这里=继续调查加拉本迪安
Okay, but stay on Garabedian. That's more important.
行，但加拉本迪安别放下。那个更要紧。
Pronunciation↩ 04:16
pain in the ass
pain in 连成 pai-nin，四个词一串甩出。
Garabedian, what a pain in the ass .
加拉本迪安，真是个讨厌鬼。
SlangB2↩ 04:16
pain in the ass
讨厌的人/事——粗口抱怨，熟人之间才能说
Garabedian, what a pain in the ass .
加拉本迪安，真是个讨厌鬼。
Teaching points
Review right after watchingMy level
above my level
PunB2↩ 00:56
prayed for / preyed upon
祈祷 vs 猎食
In the scene萨维亚诺怕记者听成祝福，立刻把同音词拧成侵害。
The scam didn't pray for them. It preyed on lonely retirees.那个骗局不是为他们祈祷，是拿孤独的退休者当猎物。
In daily life
纠正听错Not praised. I said pressed for time.不是表扬。我说的是时间很紧。
above my level
SwearingB2↩ 04:16
pain in the ass
讨厌的人/事
In the scene迈克抱怨加拉本迪安难缠，萨莎立刻拿这话回敬他。
This printer is a pain in the ass every Monday.这台打印机每周一都特烦人。
In daily life
吐槽手续Renewing the visa is a pain in the ass.续签签证烦得要命。
above my level
IronyB2↩ 04:02
you think?
反问，其实不同意
In the scene迈克说他带着目的，萨莎用 You think? 顶回去：苦是明摆着的。
You think? She just worked a double shift.你还用说？她刚连上了两个班。
In daily life
回怼抱怨You think? The subway stopped twice.还用说？地铁停了两回。
above my level
VocabularyC1↩ 01:52
groom someone
诱骗、养成猎物
In the scene萨维亚诺点破：孩子不是忽然答应，是被一步步养成的。
The coach groomed the new kid with extra praise before asking for favors.教练先用额外夸奖把新来的孩子养成，再开口要好处。
In daily life
识破套路He spent months grooming her trust before asking for money.他花几个月培养她的信任，才开口要钱。
auto-pauses
Phrasal verbB1↩ 01:48
go along with
顺着、被迫配合
In the scene萨维亚诺重复 go along：孩子一次次顺着，直到更糟的要求。
I went along with the plan even though I hated it.这计划我讨厌，可还是顺着做了。
In daily life
应付聚餐I'll go along with pizza if nobody wants noodles.要是没人想吃面，披萨我也顺着。
above my level
IdiomB2↩ 04:00
have an agenda
另有所图
In the scene迈克怀疑萨维亚诺不是单纯作证，是带着自己的目标来的。
Be careful. That consultant always has an agenda.小心。那个顾问总是另有所图。
In daily life
开会提醒Don't assume he's neutral. He has an agenda.别以为他中立。他有自己的算盘。
above my level
CollocationB2↩ 02:05
rob someone of
夺走某人的某物
In the scene萨维亚诺说神父抢走的不只是身体，还有信仰。
The delay robbed us of any chance to catch the last train.那场延误把赶末班车的机会全夺走了。
In daily life
抱怨加班This project robbed me of my weekend.这个项目把我周末抢走了。
above my level
VocabularyB2↩ 00:38
the collar
神职衣领/身份
In the scene萨维亚诺把衣领说成作案工具：用神父身份去伤害孩子。
He used the uniform, not the person, to get through the door.他靠的是那身制服，不是他自己，才进得了门。
In daily life
讲身份The badge got him answers the rest of us never hear.那枚徽章让他问到我们永远听不到的答案。
Golden lines
A great line in its own right — why and how to use it“How do you say no to God, right?”
你要怎么对上帝说不，对吧？
Why it's great
把神父换成上帝，拒绝立刻变成渎神，一句钉死诱骗的核心。
Pattern
How do you say no to + 权威？
When to use
指出某人对权威无法拒绝、只能顺着的时候。
Similar
How do you refuse someone like that? ／ You can't really say no to that.
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literary
Shadowing tip
no 和 God 都重，right 轻轻落下。
Use it yourself
拒绝领导How do you say no to the person who signs your paycheck?你要怎么对发工资的人说不？
“And when a priest does this to you, he robs you of your faith.”
神父对你做这种事，就是把你的信仰抢走。
Why it's great
robs you of 把伤害说成被偷走的东西，比 abused 更有画面。
Pattern
rob someone of something
When to use
讲某人被夺走信心、时间或机会的时候。
Similar
It takes your faith away. ／ You're left with nothing to believe in.
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literary
Shadowing tip
robs you of 稍顿，faith 收住下沉。
Use it yourself
职场打击That layoff robbed her of any trust in the company.那次裁员把她对公司的信任全夺走了。
“And I don't mean prayed for. I mean preyed upon.”
我不是说为我祈祷。我是说被他猎食。
Why it's great
同音词硬拆开，听的人没法假装听成祝福。
Pattern
I don't mean X. I mean Y.
When to use
纠正误会、把听错的词钉到真意思上时。
Similar
Not that kind of pray. ／ I mean prey, as in hunter and prey.
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informal
Shadowing tip
prayed 和 preyed 同音，靠 upon 把第二层砸实。
Use it yourself
纠正用词I don't mean tired. I mean done.我不是说累。我是说彻底没了。
Monologue
One character carrying the scene — shadow the whole passage❝ 萨维亚诺的证词
When you're a poor kid from a poor family, religion counts for a lot. And when a priest pays attention to you, it's a big deal. He asks you to collect the hymnals or take out the trash, you feel special. It's like God asking for help. So maybe it's a little weird when he tells you a dirty joke, but now you got a secret together, so you go along. Then he shows you a porno mag, and you go along. And you go along, and you go along, until one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blow job. And so you go along with that, too, because you feel trapped, because he has groomed you. How do you say no to God, right? See, it is important to understand that this is not just physical abuse, it's spiritual abuse, too. And when a priest does this to you, he robs you of your faith. So you reach for the bottle or the needle. Or if those don't work, you jump off a bridge. That's why we call ourselves survivors.
你要是穷孩子、穷人家，宗教就很重要。 神父要是关注你，那可是件大事。 他让你去收赞美诗本 或者去倒垃圾，你会觉得自己被选中了。 就像上帝在请你帮忙。 所以他给你讲荤段子时，也许会觉得有点怪， 可你们已经有了共同的秘密，于是你就顺着。 然后他给你看色情杂志，你还是顺着。 你顺着，再顺着， 直到有一天他让你给他手淫，或者给他口交。 于是那件事你也顺着做了， 因为你觉得自己被困住了， 因为他已经把你一步步养成了。 你要怎么对上帝说不，对吧？ 听着， 必须明白，这不只是身体上的虐待， 也是精神上、信仰上的虐待。 神父对你做这种事，就是把你的信仰抢走。 于是你去抓酒瓶，或者去抓针管。 要是那些都不灵，你就从桥上跳下去。 所以我们才自称幸存者。
从穷孩子被选中，一步步讲到无法对上帝说不，再落到幸存者这个词。