the hub of everything
Manchester became the centre ofthe universe.'24 Hour Party People · 2002 — 第 6 / 10 章 · 4'36" · B2
Tony Wilson Meets Sir Keith Joseph, Explained：nice as pie
The film pauses for Tony Wilson's own version of events: Manchester as the 'centre of the universe,' then the trip to London where he planned to be 'nice as pie' to Sir Keith Joseph and make him 'fall apart.' Instead the minister tells him: 'You don't know what you are.'
あらすじ
Tony Wilson narrates his version of Manchester's rise, then the Factory office scene: he calls himself 'the big guy,' and a friend deadpans 'the big boss.' He also describes his trip to meet Sir Keith Joseph, where he meant to be charming, and reports the minister's verdict on him. The staff then inspect Factory's expensive new MDF office.
注目の表現
metaphorically speakingnice as piefall apartgot the better of me
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このシーンの表現
nice as pie
extremely pleasant and charming
Tony plans to flatter Keith with perfect manners before catching him off guard.
She was nice as pie until the bill arrived.
このシーンの他の表現
- metaphorically speaking
in a figurative sense
- fall apart
collapse or break down
- got the better of me
overpowered my restraint
- mad bastard
a crazy so-and-so
- trade unionist
union member, used as a dodge
このシーンのメモ一覧
86 行のセリフに 25 件のメモ
Centre links into of, whose /v/ nearly vanishes.
Manchester became the centre ofthe universe.'everyone wanted a share of you
..and if you were a Manc, everyone wanted a part of you.conditional clause: The if-clause sets up a past hypothetical about being from Manchester.
..and if you were a Manc, everyone wanted a part of you.a Mancunian — Northern British slang for someone from Manchester.
..and if you were a Manc, everyone wanted a part of you.the real boss
- I'm the big guy. - He's the big boss.in a figurative sense
Tony calls himself the big boss, then adds 'metaphorically speaking' to keep it a joke.
- Oh, yeah? - Well, metaphorically speaking.pull someone back to reality
..to bring us back to earth.Are is swallowed, so 'what are you' becomes 'what you'.
What you doin' here? I thought you were in... glamorous fuckin' London.by the end of the tale
They call him the Mad Monk. That's important at the end of the story.finally land on
..er, and I end up on this fucking Pennine.know how to operate
Someone hands Tony a mobile phone and asks if he knows how to work one.
There you go: a mobile phone. Do you know how to work one?To weakens to /tə/, so 'how to' runs together.
There you go: a mobile phone. Do you know how to work one?just joking — Casual spoken form of 'kidding'.
Only kiddin' you. Go on, Tony. Sorry. Go on.was destined
Anyway, it was meant to be. Comes the hour, comes the man.topple or destroy
Tony describes his trip to London as a mission to bring down the Government.
..to transport me to London cos I was gonna bring down the Government.noun clause: The what-clause is the object of knew: he knew his own plan.
I knew what I was gonna do.extremely pleasant and charming
Tony plans to flatter Keith with perfect manners before catching him off guard.
I was gonna be nice as pie to him, call him Sir Keith,...collapse or break down
Tony imagines his flattery will make Keith fall apart under questioning.
..and he was gonna fall apart.that whole matter
No, no... No, but, you know, the whole monk thing...overpowered my restraint
Rob insults Tony, and Tony admits his own curiosity got the better of him.
My curiosity's got the better of me, Rob,...an extremely offensive insult — One of the harshest insults; never use it casually.
You're a cunt.time clause: The when-clause frames the moment before the verdict lands.
When we built the Hacienda, it was too soon.relative clause: The which-clause adds a side comment about the roof without changing the main claim.
It did, however, have a zinc roof, which was very, very cool.a thousand pounds — British slang for a thousand pounds.
It was 30 grand... but, er...「Tony Wilson Meets Sir Keith Joseph」を読み解く
What's really going on
The scene is a lecture on timing disguised as a story. Tony Wilson preaches that 'when we built the Hacienda, it was too soon' and 'when we built the Factory office, it was too late,' then shows the result: an office made of MDF that cost thirty grand. The same joke runs through his London trip. He plans to be 'nice as pie' to Sir Keith Joseph and make him 'fall apart,' but the minister turns the tables with 'You don't know what you are.' Wilson's whole style is here: he narrates his own failure as if it were a triumph, and the film lets him, because the charm is the point.
Theme
IdentityThe minister's 'You don't know what you are' cuts to the film's recurring question of who Tony Wilson really is.
AmbitionFactory's rise and its too-early club and too-late office show ambition outrunning its moment.
このチャプターで学べること
- Timing is everything turns failure into a question of when.
- Nice as pie means suspiciously sweet.
- Get the better of me is a self-mocking excuse.
- Metaphorically speaking deflates your own boast.
発音のポイント
- centre ofthe — Centre links into of, whose /v/ nearly vanishes.
- What you doin' — Are is swallowed, so 'what are you' becomes 'what you'.
- how to work — To weakens to /tə/, so 'how to' runs together.
Anyway, it was meant to be. Comes the hour, comes the man.Tony's fatalism: the moment arrives and the right person appears for it. He frames his own career as destiny rather than luck or hustle.
When we built the Hacienda, it was too soon.Part of his lesson on timing: the club opened before the culture was ready to fill it, so even a good idea can miss its moment.
You don't know what you are.The minister's blunt verdict, the one line Tony can't answer. It's aimed less at his job than at his whole self-invention.
It's like listening to a fucking headache.Tony's description of a bad phone call: noise that hurts rather than communicates. It's his gift for the vivid, throwaway simile.
このシーンについての質問
Why does Tony Wilson call himself 'the big guy'?
It's a joke with the room. When asked who he is, he says he's the big guy; a friend undercuts him with 'he's the big boss,' and he adds, 'metaphorically speaking.'
Why does Tony want to meet Sir Keith Joseph?
He says he drove to London planning to charm the minister and bring down the government — an absurdly grand ambition for a TV presenter with a mobile phone.
Who tells Tony 'You don't know what you are'?
Sir Keith Joseph, the minister he came to confront. The line lands because Tony, who narrates everything, has no comeback, and later admits it stuck.
Why does Factory's new office cost so much?
Because, as Tony insists, you aren't paying for materials, the office is made of MDF, but for design. Hooky keeps asking the price anyway, and it comes out at thirty grand.
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次のチャプター · 第 7 章put things in perspectiveMartin Hannett's Funeral
第 1 章harp on aboutTony Wilson Names the Factory
第 2 章print the legendTony Wilson Names Joy Division
第 3 章straight upTony Wilson Announces the US Tour
第 4 章go to townTony Wilson Opens the Hacienda
第 5 章out of shapeTony Films the Happy Mondays Video
再生中 · 第 6 章nice as pieTony Wilson Meets Sir Keith Joseph
第 7 章put things in perspectiveMartin Hannett's Funeral
第 8 章back downTony Wilson Buys Back the Tape
第 9 章drop a bollockFactory Meets London Records
第 10 章sell outTony Wilson Refuses the Buyout第 6 / 10 章 · 残り約 17 分